Superhero Conversions

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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Light » 06 Feb 2017 11:29

Sol defeating Cell? Come on XD
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Superhero » 06 Feb 2017 11:46

I know, it's pretty ridiculous but well, it's mostly the company getting overzealous with mangas/anime and other expanded universes stuffs. With characters making ridiculous statements like fighting above the speed of light and hitting with supernovas power attacks.

It tends to always be a problem when companies, expand universes, like for example Capcom there is no way that Ryu or Akuma should be able to fight Asura, in Asura's wrath or even star wars expanded universe (video games, comic books, novels etc...) is more powerful than whatever you see in the movies.

If you don't count anime, mangas, expanded universes shenangigans,I would say this list is good:

Guilty Gears (video game version):

Sol Badguy: Warrior 10+5
Slayer: Tao 10+4
Sin Kiske: Acrobatic Warrior 9+4
Dizzy: Warlock 10+4 (Light and Darkness path with death subpath)
I-no: Technician 8+4
Ramlethal: Tao 8+3
Leo Whitefang: Technician 8+3
Ky Kiske: Acrobatic Warrior 8+3
Elphelt: Weaponmaster 7+4
Chipp: Shadow 6+3
Millia: Technician 6+3
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Superhero » 06 Feb 2017 17:28

Marvel Intelligence Power Grid

Marvel has a scale when it comes to intelligence and was kind of curious to try to place the intelligence stat with the marvel ratings:

2 - Normal = 5-6
Examples: Wolverine, Bucky (Winter Soldier), Jessica Jones

3- Learned = 7-8
Examples: Captain America, Luke Cage, Adam Warlock

4 - Gifted = 9
Examples: Doctor Strange, Vision, Enchantress

5 - Genius = 10-11
Examples: Peter Parker, Black Panther, Magneto

6 -Super-Genius = 12-15 (varies a lot)
Examples: Bruce Banner, Amadeus Cho, Blue Marvel, Tony Starks, Thanos

7 - Omniscient = 16+ with only a few entities really reaching int 20
Examples: Eternity, Beyonder, Odin, One-Above All
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Mensaje por Superhero » 07 Feb 2017 16:39

Wild Arms:

The first game, a fun universe with a trio of heroes, ancient technology and them just kicking ass in general.

Rudy Roughnigth, Weaponmaster 9+1: A Homunculus, with ancient blood to interact with ARMS, high strength and skilled swordsman, use a wide variety of technological weapons. Very strong too.

Jack Vambrace, Acrobatic Warrior 9: A man who is hundred of years old, a musician and skilled in ki abilities to supplement his swordsmanship. Accumulation of Powers and definitely the Iajutsu combat module for his fast draw. Has a wind mouse to help solve puzzles and the likes.

Cecilia Adlehyde, Summoner 9: A crest sorceress and the one who can summon the guardians, similar to Great Beasts in Gaia essentially. A skilled wizard in multiple magical paths and has a funny side requirement of her magic, requiring her to consume a lot of food.
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Sharpandpointies » 07 Feb 2017 17:28

Superhero escribió:Marvel Intelligence Power Grid

Marvel has a scale when it comes to intelligence and was kind of curious to try to place the intelligence stat with the marvel ratings:

2 - Normal = 5-6
Examples: Wolverine, Bucky (Winter Soldier), Jessica Jones

3- Learned = 7-8
Examples: Captain America, Luke Cage, Adam Warlock

4 - Gifted = 9
Examples: Doctor Strange, Vision, Enchantress

5 - Genius = 10-11
Examples: Peter Parker, Black Panther, Magneto

6 -Super-Genius = 12-15 (varies a lot)
Examples: Bruce Banner, Amadeus Cho, Blue Marvel, Tony Starks, Thanos

7 - Omniscient = 16+ with only a few entities really reaching int 20
Examples: Eternity, Beyonder, Odin, One-Above All
The Marvel ratings system is hilariously inconsistent and makes all kinds of mistakes. I'd stay far, far away from their 'official' ratings. ^_^
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Superhero » 08 Feb 2017 09:33

Fair enough Sharp.

Let see, Lunar Silver Star Complete characters:

Alex Noa,Warrior 8
, as a dragon master, he gains unique abilities from dragon trials and his dragonmaster equipment.

Ramus, Weaponmaster 3, leaves the party rather early on, demonstrate good skills with bows, high strength, serves as frontline etc...

Nash, Wizard 8 with Air 70.

Kyle, Weaponmaster 8, very strong and apparently high mystical resistance (breaks out of a spell after being petrified).

Jessica, Warlock 8, half-beastman can be represented with a nephilim daimah the healer of the group, focused on healing and restoration spells chosen individually and just hitting people very hard with her mace.

Mia, Wizard 8 - with Fire 60, Water 60.

Tempest - Ranger 9, a very powerful archer, has developed archery ki techniques based on wind.

Dyne - Warrior 9, the previous dragon master, lost most of his mystical abilities, still is ridiculously strong.



Quark - Major Dragon

Main antagonist:
Ghaleon - Warlock 11, main antagonist of the game, master of magic, uses Air 70, Fire 70, Necromancy 70(Chaos subpath), Water 70, Earth 70 and ki techniques/abilities such as shooting an energy blast from his hand, teleporting next to an enemy to attack etc...
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Mensaje por Superhero » 13 Feb 2017 02:08

Bleach

Well it was eventually coming...I had to spend a lot of times checking out stuffs before coming out to this conclusion. The greatest feats displayed by the most powerful characters in bleach reach planetary levels at most and by planetary, I mean the low end, as in moon level.

The thing is, bleach character most of their powers come from the various hacks of the artifact weapon...anyway with that out of the way here's my rating by the end of the series:

Ichigo- Technician 11+1 (his mixed blood and family history is complicated to say the least, latent blood is the best way to go about it), has a very powerful zanpakuto. (Martial Learning advantage can represent his unusual growth)
Aizen - Technician 11+3 (monster powers for his hacks)
Ywach - Technician 11+3 (Special powers)/+6 (Eventually get a ridiculous amount of powers at the end of the series, possibly even a level increase, hard to say.)
Byakuya - Technician 10
Kenpachi - Weaponmaster 10, (unusually high physical stats)
Toshiro - Technician 10
Mayuri - Freelancer 10
Most of the Espadas and captains of divisions - Level 7-8+1 (for arrancar powers), captains don't have monster powers.
Grimmjaw: Level 8+1 (Arrancar powers)
Ulquiorra: Technician 9+1 (Arrancar powers)
Yoruichi: Shadow 8
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Maxwell » 14 Feb 2017 23:45

Sharpandpointies escribió:
Superhero escribió:Marvel Intelligence Power Grid

Marvel has a scale when it comes to intelligence and was kind of curious to try to place the intelligence stat with the marvel ratings:

2 - Normal = 5-6
Examples: Wolverine, Bucky (Winter Soldier), Jessica Jones

3- Learned = 7-8
Examples: Captain America, Luke Cage, Adam Warlock

4 - Gifted = 9
Examples: Doctor Strange, Vision, Enchantress

5 - Genius = 10-11
Examples: Peter Parker, Black Panther, Magneto

6 -Super-Genius = 12-15 (varies a lot)
Examples: Bruce Banner, Amadeus Cho, Blue Marvel, Tony Starks, Thanos

7 - Omniscient = 16+ with only a few entities really reaching int 20
Examples: Eternity, Beyonder, Odin, One-Above All
The Marvel ratings system is hilariously inconsistent and makes all kinds of mistakes. I'd stay far, far away from their 'official' ratings. ^_^
How about one for Str and dex/agi then ? :p
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Superhero » 15 Feb 2017 01:03

Sure let me oblige, I did post the strength one before on another forum but doing it here:

For strength in general this:

Weak: cannot lift own body weight -Strength 3-4
Example: Franklin Richards, Charles Xavier

Normal: able to lift own body weight - Strength 5-6
Example: Hawkeye, Stephen Strange, Scarlet Witch

Peak human: able to lift twice own body weight - Strength 9-10
Example: Black Widow, Daredevil, Iron Fist

Superhuman:
800 lbs-25 ton range - Strength 11-14
Example: Spiderman, Captain America, Wolverine, Jessica Jones

Superhuman: 25-75 ton range - Strength 15
Example: Black Bolt, Loki, SIF, Vision, Luke Cage

Superhuman: 75-100 ton range -
Example: Strength 15 Namor(on the surface), Dormammu, Colossus, Iron Man, The thing, Ultron

Incalculable: in excess of 100 tons - Strength 16+
Example: Namor(underwater), Thor, Thanos, the Incredible Hulk[Technically reaches Strength 20 when at his most angry stage, see World War Hulk], Galactus, The Living Tribunal, Apocalypse, Legion.

Should be noted that it is pretty rare for anybody to reach infinite strength beside the Hulk. Should be noted that it doesn't take into account that some are probably using feats of strength secondary ability or outliers feats, basically stuffs that shouldn't be considered normal.

For speed: (Comic Book version)

Normal: Normal Human speed agi 6 to 10 (some are peak human athletes)
Example: Franklin richards, Stephen Strange, Wolverine etc...

Superhuman: peak at 700 MPH,any from agi 11 to 16 (Range again varies wildly, essentially anything moving faster than human speed)
Example: Spider-Man, Thanos, Storm

Speed of Sound: Mach 1, Agi 17
Example: Jane Foster (Thor form), Speed, Canonball

Supersonic: Mach 2 to Orbital velocity (17 500 MPH), Agi 18
Example: Iron Man (obviously his armor), Quicksilver, Captain Marvel, Apocalypse, Magneto (!not naturally due to powers!)

Speed of Light: The Speed of Light (186,000 miles per second), Agi 19 with usually a lot of ranks in athletics to achieve agi 20 easily. Essentially people who can achieve Agi 20 at their peak but usually travel way slower than that.

Example: Spectrum, Northstar, Deathurge

Warp speed:
Transcend the speed of Light, Agi 20, by this point their speed doesn't matter...its literally infinite.

Example: Thor, Dormammu, Galactus, The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, Odin with the Odinforce.

Note: Someone with sufficiently high athleticism and access to Zen can of course manage to achieve very impressive speed well beyond their normal speed. This is just an example scale.
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Re: Superhero Conversions

Mensaje por Sharpandpointies » 15 Feb 2017 14:15

Another notation (not a criticism of Superhero, see below).

The 'strength system' Marvel uses breaks down in hilarious ways when compared against the capabilities of the characters as shown in comics. Basically, the higher you get on the scale, the further the 'Class number' is from the reality of what the character can do.

Sure, 'Comic Peak Humans' can lift/press 800 lbs above their heads (according to Marvel Databooks). That's pretty close to what you see Captain America doing in comics (when he's not casually shattering steel chains and the like). But even here, they get stuff wrong. Daredevil, for example, does stuff like 'punch people and send them flying 10', 'use a 400 lbs barbell as a staff after picking it up 1-handed', and 'tip over a limo that has five people in it'. One wonders if the comic book writers grasp 'weight'.

But then things get really wonky.

Peter Parker (Spiderman) keeps buildings from collapsing, threatens to hit people with subway cars (clocking in at well-over 25 tons, when Parker's strength is listed as somewhere around Class 15, or '15 tons' in Marvel parlance), webs up small, high-tech tanks and casually spins them into each other, hurls a jeep over 100' so that it slams through a third floor wall...still going up...

Classic Rogue was listed as being 'Class 50' or so, in the 'superhuman' range listed above. Supposedly lifting 50 tons above her head. In comics? She does stuff like carry around locomotives, which clock in WELL-past 100 tons. Or fly while carrying most of a train.

The Thing, at supposedly Class 85 (85 ton capacity) compresses buildings that weigh more than 1000 tons into a spear and uses it as a melee weapon, and regularly does stuff like juggle (yes, juggle) multiple tanks (which are in excess of 50 tons each).

People like Thor, supposedly somewhere in the 'more than 100 tons' range? Okay, that's sort of accurate, but it's like saying 'I dropped the bomb and it went off' (apologies to Harry Harrison for stealing this) - it captures the truth, but not the magnitude. Thor and people in his range throw ocean-going vessels (including military ones) at each other (weight in the multiple tens of thousands of tons), lift mountains (billions of tons), and muscle around snakes big enough to wrap themselves around the planet...more than once.

Side note regarding Thanos - Thanos, strengthwise, is a dude who has casually pimp-slapped the Hulk (and Thing, simultaneously), and beaten the Silver Surfer to near-death with a series of punches. The Surfer being a guy who has withstood an enraged Hulk jumping up and down on his head (by 'withstood', I mean 'never stopped his philosophical monologue the whole time'), and who casually hangs out in Black Holes because they're cool places to chill. Thanos, punching it out with Drax, caused the planet to explode...simply because they were fighting on it (neither of them hit it, they just whaled on each other and the planet broke...so did Drax, Thanos was fine). Thanos is...strong.

There's a lot of confusion between 'What comic companies say' with regards to characters' strengths and 'what the characters are actually shown to DO'. In Anima, it could possibly be written up as being something like 'Got a Zen result on Feat of Strength', except that some of these things are feats the characters pull off casually.

...this is not even getting into stuff like 'no, you cannot pick up a mountain because you'd end up with two handfuls of boulder and the mountain itself wouldn't give a crap' (even taking into consideration having indestructible ground to stand upon). We all know that comics pay, at best, lip-service to physics and other sciences (mostly they just rudely kick the sciences out of bed after they've finished).

Speedwise, there's the issue of 'movement speed' (especially flight) versus 'reaction time', which comes up a lot in comics...but really, that dovetails nicely with how Anima works anyway (movement being covered by Agility/flight power/whatever, reaction time being mostly covered by Attack/Defend unless one is using the appalling optional rule in Dominus Exxet, I don't).

...as an aside, this isn't a criticism of Superhero, as he's doing a BANG UP job here (kudos to you, Superhero!). It's more a clarification of certain comic-booky things . I spent a looooong time moderating a board that discussed this sort of thing in depth (which leads to pickiness, apologies) and the guidebooks? The guidebooks lie. ^_^

Anyway, I've nerded up the place enough (if that is possible on an RPG forum).
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