Black Sun Most Important Families

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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por Superhero » 26 Ago 2018 13:04

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26 Ago 2018 08:35
I never really got that part that if Victor is really sealed in Bekent with the book and Adrien+Jean Pierre are the ones to mostly use the book's knowledge, even if partially, how it was Luther in A:T who ended up with the book's powers in his advantage card. Btw Luther is kinda forgotten in the Gaia books, so I heavily assume he was made up as a character during scheduling A:T. Btw do we know how many Delacroix and Steiner family members there are and how they relate to each other? That is always kinda left vague (beyond the obvious Adrien, who is the son of Jean Pierre and Alessa, or Richard's two daughters Felicia and Lynn).
Sadly that was why, I started this thread, to have a clearer counts or at least relationship between the various Delacroix and Steiners, but that's all we know about them.

Luther is supposedly in charge but even his story doesn't quite make sense, since they mention that he is the head of the Delacroix family but he is also just the Vice president of Black Sun. It should be noted also that all the incomplete copies of the Book of the Dead are just named Book of the Dead. (p. 116 of Arcana Exxet)

Supposedly Jean Pierre is currently the President of Black Sun.

But then again, I guess to be fair, an organization book is supposed to give us more details about all the organizations. But I believe the Organization book is bit further down the line, so won't see it in a long time. I believe the next book is the Gods one (after they release Anima version 2.0 or something).
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por dunnoww » 26 Ago 2018 14:59

Superhero escribió:
26 Ago 2018 13:04
Sadly that was why, I started this thread, to have a clearer counts or at least relationship between the various Delacroix and Steiners, but that's all we know about them.
Oh I totally missed the OP, my bad. (As far as I can tell, your list is from the French wiki.) Apart from Luther's lack of background, what puzzles me further how Felicia, being around a whopping level 5 (~30-35 in A:T terms), can be "one of the two most important members" of a family that clearly includes characters at level 9-12, controlling all kinds of abominations.

OFF: As for the organization books - I wish. But I very seriously doubt Anima 2.0 will happen at all.
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por Superhero » 26 Ago 2018 15:15

dunnoww escribió:
26 Ago 2018 14:59
Superhero escribió:
26 Ago 2018 13:04
Sadly that was why, I started this thread, to have a clearer counts or at least relationship between the various Delacroix and Steiners, but that's all we know about them.
Oh I totally missed the OP, my bad. (As far as I can tell, your list is from the French wiki.) Apart from Luther's lack of background, what puzzles me further how Felicia, being around a whopping level 5 (~30-35 in A:T terms), can be "one of the two most important members" of a family that clearly includes characters at level 9-12, controlling all kinds of abominations.

OFF: As for the organization books - I wish. But I very seriously doubt Anima 2.0 will happen at all.
The level thing can get confusing some time, as they often mix up political power and combat abilities. Like Joshua Fardelys is a level 9 freelancer, but obviously combat isn't his main asset or Lucanor is level 16 (but doesn't fight like a level 16, more like a level 7-8 warrior).
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por dunnoww » 26 Ago 2018 15:53

It's true A:BF levels often don't translate well to A:T (sometimes characters with lower A:BF levels end up being massively stronger in terms of A:T levels or vica versa) but it seems Felicia lacks both political influence and combat abilities, indicated by her level 5. :)
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por Superhero » 26 Ago 2018 16:01

Well to be fair Felicia Steiner is part of the Merchant Association of Ein (Phaion) which is basically like the trade council (Gabriel), where Adrien delacroix is actually sending assassins against her , so far seems all the assassination attempts have failed. She is one of the Meisters, the top 15 people who run the country and are also the most powerful. All the other meisters seem to be level 3 on average with her and Akio being the only level 5 of the Merchant association.

The Merchant association of Ein is also considered the world largest trading company to give a reference of how high she is on the food chain and that she is in the top 15.
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por dunnoww » 26 Ago 2018 18:24

Good points, and I believe such puzzling details or (possible) contradictions are often left for the GM's discretion to flesh out. Interesting to note that the English Gaia translation makes it clear it's Richard Steiner who's "one of the two greatest Black Sun members", but this could be a translation error as well, seeing how the French wiki associates this trait with Felicia. On the other hand, it's not unheard of that a completely capable but-otherwise-not-so-impressive character being in charge and holding great power/possessing wealth.
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por Sataruma » 27 Ago 2018 16:01

Thanks for the reminder about Victor, it is in fact clearly stated at the end of Prometheum Exxet. It's just that in Gaia 2, when you look at Bekent, there is no mention at all about that vault. The place is so hardcore it won't be a problem to add another secret base. And yes it is also stated that the Book of the Dead was copied in a couple of incomplete parts, so i'll just give each high profile Delacroix some of it's content. One of my players is aware of those texts because they all saw them in Terrasanta (he erased the memory of the team, being a good Wissenschaft agent), for it is stated that Colbert used it to create Project Ragnarok. This is why I wanted to clarify who had the real thing.

I too think that Felicia should be the front of the Steiner family and I really don't mind the level gaps in power. My players know that influence is a powerful weapon and they wouldn't dare assume anything when facing her.

I'll look into Alexia Ashford, at first glance it seems to be a good inspiration indeed. Speaking of it, did anyone here looked into the poem at the end of Gaia 2, the one written by Harael Grimoire? I ask because one of the seven entity seems to be Alessa (the sixth to be precise).

EDIT: Just saw that there's a thread about the five.

EDIT 2 : There seems to be some confusion in the books. It is said in Prometheum Exxet that the Patriarch is sealed in Bekent, but it's not clear if it's Victor or Jean-Pierre. Also, it is said that Adrian is the one creating the Phantom Angel, which doesn't makes sense, since in Gaia it is Jean-Pierre, who is sealed on Alessa (named after his deceased wife). His son Adrian is now the leader of the Delacroix branch. Mucho mucho unclear. Is it because of the translation, or even confusion with A:T? It would make sense that Victor doesn't exist, Jean-Pierre is sealed with the book on Alessa (creating the Angel) and that Adrian is the new boss. Bekent is really far away and Clover & co. discovered the book in Moth, which is not far from Hendell. Thoughts?
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por Superhero » 28 Ago 2018 09:08

Jean Pierre was given the piece of Black Metal and is clearly not in Bekent. That already take him out for the one being mentioned.
Adrien and Jean Pierre works closely together and are both on Alessa. It should be noted that pieces of Black Metal are mostly knowledge devices, so yeah it make sense that it would help them conduct their experiments on creating the Ghost Angel. Essentially even if they have some gap of knowledge because of the Incomplete Book of the Dead, they make up for it with the piece of Black Metal.

Victor name is mentioned in Luther delacroix history of A:T. All they say about Victor, the patriarch that he has disappeared. But from Prometheum exxet, we know that Victor sealed himself in Bekent with the Book of the Dead.

Victor is also stated to be part of the discovery party. Clover and everybody else present at that time, was changed by the experience. Desdemona quit Black Sun and is now, a Messenger, traveling between interreigns/dimensions.

The Ghost Angel being one of the Five is a theory...that's pretty much all there is to it.
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Re: Black Sun Most Important Families

Mensaje por Sataruma » 28 Ago 2018 17:14

I would have loved that The Ghost Angel became the Avatar of the Book of the Dead mentioned in the text. I think it would give her the power to be on the panel of the Five. But I think i'll drop it.

As for Victor, it would makes sense that he is now an old undead creature, keeping the power of the real book in check, for it is mentioned that it must be kept sealed to avoid being transformed by its power. That would explains why Black Sun only uses copies of the texts made by Victor. Clover looks young, but then again, he was affected by the power of the book.

Thanks for all the replies guys.
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